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In business/money dealings, who do you trust more - Christians or non-Christians?
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| Posted by: Wilfred Hahn |
10/9/2006 8:57 AM |
Several weeks back, we were chatting with dinner guests at our home, enjoying the fellowship. The couple are active Christians, the wife running a ministry for disadvantaged women. I had asked about how the renovations were coming on their house, among other things. Not much later, I hear something like this: "I find Christians aren't any more reliable or trustworthy than business people who aren't. In fact, it's even a disadvantage if they are Christians."
That's probably not a verbatim quote, but the gist of the thought is intact. My ears perked up. Why? I am ashamed to admit that I lean to the same view. Here, I had found someone with a similar opinion. Without blowing my cover just yet, I asked why. Well, in short, she said, because Christians often times use their "goody" identity as a crutch for less-than competitive services. Hmmm, what do you think?
I'll be up front. Here's my view. Call me calloused, call me jaded, but when someone mentions to me that they are a Christian while they are trying to sell me a service or do business with me, my guard goes up ... real fast. I literally make a run for it. Why? I've have been burned so many times by so-called Christians as well as being defrauded. And, apart from that, I've often been disappointed with the quality of service or work being done by so-called brethern.
Is it just me, perhaps a false perception, or is it fact? Could it be that Christians disappoint us so much, because we expect so more of them? Or, do many Christians indeed slough off on their integrity and work ethic, thinking that brotherly Christians will allow their excuses because "we're family."
Maybe my experiences have been worse than others, in this respect. I can honestly say that some of the most despicable people I have seen on Wall Street or in business were so-called Christians. They were the types that hob-nobbed around Christian Business Men's clubs, to make contacts ... etc. They were on their best behaviour in church on Sunday. But, Monday was another story. So, maybe they weren't Christians? Of course, I'm not fit to judge.
So what's your take on Christians in business or the so-called "good housekeeping seal of approval" that the "Christian brandname" should offer when buying or selling services? Am I the only who no longer puts much value in anyone telling me that they're a Christian? Is it the sign of the times? Tell me of your experiences.
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Re: In business/money dealings, who do you trust more - Christians or non-Christians? |
By just another Christian on
10/10/2006 11:25 PM |
It seems to me that if we feel like we are being cheated by someone whom we accepted already and declared as Brother or Sister in the Name of Christ, one should make recourse to Luke 6:30 to solve the problem when there does not appear to be an obligation to fairness in the other party. Perhaps your definition for what makes a Real (and therefore) Dependable Christian is wrong, and you are making friends with unsaved religious heretics who do not have the fear of God deciding their moral obligations for them. SOMETIMES, even a Real Christian will fall short of being reliable and equitable - and if that is the case (not a practice but only an incident) we must remember how many people we have disappointed. Then we are obliged to "bear one another's burdens and so fulfill the law of Christ". SOMEWHERE along the way we have depend on God to defend us or provide for us - there is a clear moment in which the unhappy situation is handed to God for His judgement - even if it be against us. God actually owns everything - it's all His to give or take away. THIS IS my security - presuming that NOTHING is ever impossible for God and with God. I remain, just another Christian - but I do have something I would like the opportunity to say to the correct audience about the Biblically PREDICTED Great And Final Apostasy Of Christendom (which is well underway) IF interested, viist www.apostasynow.com Thank you for your time. |
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By Bob Greene on
10/10/2006 11:26 PM |
| I have had similar experiences and I have observed these traits in some friends, but on the other hand, I have had exceptional experiences with Christian business people and seen exemplary behavior with some friends. My dad and his business partner were both Christian men and they held to high biblical standards in their business and personal lives. However, on more than one occasion, this Christian business ethic was exploited by supposed Christian brothers and sisters that later took advantage of my Father perceived weakness. I think dealing with Christian businesses is a good thing but we should always approach with caution because there are those that are out to prey on our trust and love for are fellow brothers and sisters in Christ. |
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By LookingUp on
10/10/2006 11:27 PM |
| Unfortunately, I have had the same experience. I have been burned by several business people who have told me they rely on "Christian" business contacts and they are brothers/sisters in Christ and then they do a shoddy job for me. Been burned on bathroom reconstruction, mechanical on car(more than once by different people), electrician, plumber,etc. And what is worse to me, they say this KNOWING I am a widow and the bible verse they quote to me is about how God says we are to "take care of widows and orphans". It makes my stomach queasy. I have told these people that to be dishonest with me means being dishonest with themselves and with God who knows our hearts, but they do it anyway.So, it makes me wonder if they are not truly Christians and are what my Israeli friend calls "name Christians" (i.e. in name only). Jesus will sort it out at the bema seat or the Great White Throne judgement, whichever applies..... |
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By Jan on
10/10/2006 11:27 PM |
We must understand the times in which we live. Scripture tells us this is to be expected in the last days: Godlessness in the Last Days 2 Timothy 3:1-5 (New International Version) 1But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. 2People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— 5having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with them.
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By Iris Saunders on
10/10/2006 11:29 PM |
| During the many years that my husband and I were in several businesses, I cannot recall anytime when we were less than honest with any of our customers. We always tried to do business by remembering Who put us there in the first place. When people walked into our stores they did get what they paid for. Some even came to know Christ! In our business there were times we could have taken on projects that went against our ethics. God always honored our turning them down and always filled in what was given up! We always tried to keep focused on Him and the honesty He required. However, there are several business people in our present church who I would definitely not do business with. Sadly, there are those who do use the Lord........ah, but only for a season. |
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By Romayne (UK) on
10/10/2006 11:29 PM |
Interesting story indeed and good on you for writing it, as I think it's sadly sometimes the case. Have to say here in good old Ulster (N. Ireland for the unfamilar), we have such a huge issue with anyone talking religion in any shape or form nobody here identifies themselves as a Christian to start with unless they're comfortable the other party is likely to also be and it's quite funny as you have some real 'dances' taking place with hints being dropped into conversations - trust me, we've perfected the art of nuances :)). Until recently I'd have been inclined to say I would have preferred a Christian worker to do work for me, but just at the minute am having my view challenged by an electrician who certainly gave me the impression of being a solid Christian but provided me with what I feel was a hugely inflated quote for work to be done. And this despite the fact that he has a disabled daughter, and knows I'm heavily disabled myself and on benefit only income. So it's hard for me to be sure - so far the few I've had do work for me have tended to be dearer than non Christians, but have in all honesty done a good job, and ultimately I've felt safer leaving them alone in my house (I live alone) if I have had to go out. But I would agree with your statement that just like unbelievers, we expect Christians to come up to a preconceived standard also, and that's a hard one to work past at times :)). Blessings, Romayne Belfast N. Ireland UK |
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By markemorrison on
10/10/2006 11:30 PM |
I agree completely. I would not work with/for someone just because they say they are a Christian. We are all blinded - and can not see the errors of our ways. They may have good intentions, but the reality, the service or product has to be up to par for me to continue working with them. I am in the financial services industry, I take pride in being a Christian and doing the right thing, but we are all fallen! I tell my clients I am a Christian, but you should not work with me just because I am a Christian. If we do choose to do business, you should hold me accountable just like any other person - if not a higher standard! If someone wants to sell you something just on the basis of his "Christianity" - I would recommend walking away - politely- Thank you Mr. Hahn for joining PZ - I look forward to many interesting postings. |
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By John Rector on
10/10/2006 11:31 PM |
I have told my children many times when they ask for my advice,"A Christian will be the best person to deal with, or the worst." So far this has been mostly true. I found a man in the Wall Street Journal that said he was a Christian, so I invested wiith him. Well for two years I was with him I enjoyed many things that he was teaching about cycles and family budgets. But he was shut down by the government,and many people lost large amounts of money. I hold no ill will against the man and never will, but I received most of my money back. What I am saying is; even though his name is in the paper in big print, check every thing carfully. |
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By Ready&Waiting on
10/11/2006 3:17 PM |
How unfortunate that professed Christians do not use their God given talents in a Christian way. I look upon this as we are all sinners and have fallen short from the glory of God. We are to follow our Lord in all things. That includes business. We have used Christians in our dealings and have been badly burned when my husband went into business with one. Thank goodness it ended before my husband's credibility could be harmed. But we lost income from this and it set us back considerably at a point in time that we could not afford to be set back. With God's grace we were able to pay our bills, eat, and we were blessed so that my husband found employment. We still do not know how this was humanly possible only that the Lord blessed us and brought us through. We have learned from this and are much more prudent in our undertakings. I am curious if anyone prayed before they contracted with these professed Christians? You see, we did not pray when my husband went to work for that person and we did not seek God's guidance. I really think that prayer is the utmost important factor that we as Christians can use to determine what to do and when to do it. As the years have passed we learned our lesson and will continue to ask our heavenly father for direction in all of our endeavors. Along these same lines we must be willing to forgive them that harm us and personally I think we should pray for them also. It is a very harsh world we are living in and we have to stay true to Christ's teachings so we will not be corrupted with the evil that is abundant in these end times. God Bless each of you. |
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By WilfredHahn on
10/13/2006 10:12 PM |
All I can say is “Wow.” I wasn’t sure how this BLOG would pan out, but if this week’s comments are any indication, it will prove to be a profitable exercise. Every contribution had one or more kernels of wisdom and truth on this issue. After reading them all, I believe I came away with a more balanced perspective on the questions of disappoints in Christian business dealings.
Just another Christian” said “along the way we have to depend on God to defend us […] God actually owns everything – it’s all His to give oro take away.” Hmmm. Isn’t that an insight? God taking away things can be for our good, as well. On the other hand, the prosperity teachers say that God only gives material blessings. Bob Greene takes a balanced view, saying “ dealing with Christian business people is a good thing but we should always approach with caution.” That’s rings wise. If we didn’t take that perspective, we would actually be persecuting fellow Christians by “carte blanche” not dealing with any of them. My Dad always used to say, “If you can’t make a living off of your friends, are you supposed to only do it with your enemies?”
LookingUp reminds us that “Jesus will sort it all out at the Bema seat.” No point holding grudges on this side of that event. Iris Saunders relates the encouraging message that “God always honored our turning down” projects that went against their ethics. Romayne points out that it isn’t just us that give Christians a rough time because we have such a high expectation of them. The world does, too. That comment emboldens us to even more abhor anything unholy. And, markmorrison adds balance by pointing out “we are all blinded – and cannot see the error of our ways.” So, though I may have sounded off about my bad experiences with other Christians, I am sure I will have done my turn at disappointing others. As such, I would want a second chance … at least be forgiven.
John Rector takes the angle of a good steward. “Check every thing carefully.” No doubt, that is one of the main reasons so many get fleeced. They don’t check things out. Finally, a major, major point is made by Ready&Waiting. “I am curious if anyone prayed before they contracted with these professed Christians?” Surely, that is a basic precaution that many of us will have forgotten.
Thank you all for all the insights. This is going to be a great learning experience.
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By Christiaan Geerken on
10/18/2006 9:47 AM |
| I think the common thread in all the comments above is this: When a business person feels obligated to inform you they are Christian, steer away from them. A true Christian, and one you want to have work with or for you, will SHOW you they are a Christian through their actions... and not their mouth. I have been building a house for the last 3 years. With only one exception, they have had my best interest at heart becausee they're hearts were with Christ. The only one bad exception was one who outwardly "advertised" his Christian principles, then turned around and charged me $1000 for 2 men for 4-1/2 hours work. I paid it anyway. |
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